Monday, 26 September 2011

Conspiracy Theory Conference

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A 'Conspiracy Theory Conference' was held at Conway Hall in central London yesterday (Sunday 25th Sept.). Here are a few, admittedly biased, comments about the day.

In its original formation this 'conference' was set up as a very one-sided affair indeed, with all contributors firmly in the establishment camp. David Aaronovitch, he of "Voodoo histories" (and foremost media tub-thumper for bombing Iraq) was to give a presentation in the afternoon. Many were looking forward to confronting this fellow but discovered that he had 'pulled out' a few days earlier.

Here is a media favourite, a columnist for the Times, whose every conscious utterance is broadly promoted by our mainstream media.

Yet.

When the opportunity arises for him to present his ideas before people who are ready, willing and able to challenge them (albeit in the very constricted form of short questions) he chickens out.

That's how I saw the situation anyway, whatever excuses he came up with.

The point is that this serial liar is always free to make his preposterous and dishonest statements unchallenged.

For instance in a recent article he wrote the following sentence:

".....the conspiracy theories over Israel's mistaken bombing of the USS Liberty in 1967......"

Giving the massive amount of evidence presented by those sailors on the USS Liberty who survived this attack and the astonishing political aftermath of the outrage, this statement can only be perceived as an obscene and deliberate lie. Informed by this and every other deliberately twisted and misdirecting analysis Aaronovitch has produced it is fair to ask whose interests his lies are meant to serve.

However, Aaronovitch was replaced by Ian R Crane, first chair of 9/11 Truth UK, full-time speaker and well-known activist. Many had expected that this change would give the day a little necessary 'balance'. However, 'balance' is hardly the word because by 5pm Ian's end of the see-saw was firmly planted on terra firma while the rest appeared to be uncomfortably suspended at the other end trying to decide whether to gain leverage by bravely edging backwards towards their extremity or leaping to safety in case things got worse.

I will explain, but first a few words about the day itself.

During the morning Professor Chris French and Robert Brotherton of Goldsmith's College and Karen Douglas of Kent University addressed (one way or another) the 'psychology' of conspiracy theorists. French and Brotherton peppered their limp and vacuous ideas with ridicule that they mistook for wit (You'll know that I'm a Bilderberger because I say these things....and the like).

They defined what is meant by a 'conspiracy theory'........O.K......

We heard that a person who believes in one conspiracy theory is more likely to believe in another.......um,..........(searching for some nuance of meaning in this statement of the obvious that I might have missed [but hadn't])........um........Yes.........(thought) Is French being paid to do this?

......back to the august professor....

We were told that these theories were universally contradicted by the evidence of real experts and were, therefore, unworthy of consideration and NO, Professor French would not engage in argument over the substance of any issue whatsoever.

We were, apparently, there to learn what was wrong with us as far as French was concerned. He was the one 'establishment' speaker I actively disliked. Arrogant, bombastic, sneering. A man who dismissed the truthfulness of conspiracy theorists claims while refusing to engage with these issues himself. One felt he is the kind of man who, if he felt he had a winning hand, would delight in wiping the floor with anyone who tried to argue with him.

There is a horrible cowardice to the individual who is prepared to build a career by trashing the truthfulness of persons with whose statements of truth he fails to personally counter or even engage. This is a pathetic (and, again, cowardly) way to make one's own position invulnerable.

Karen Douglas spoke along the same lines with one or two small variations. Again, the presumption of error was entirely with the conspiracy theorists. There were a couple of memorable elements though, the first being a response to a question (on a questionnaire completed by people, some of whom could be categorised CTists):

"If you were a member of the security services would you participate in false flag events?"

The responses (apparently) demonstrated the psychological mechanism (of CTists) of "projection". Apparently 'people like me' answered "yes" more so that those who disbelieve CTs.

This sort of took my breath away.

Isn't this question a bit like asking, "If you were a bird would you eat worms?"....or...." If you were Hitler would you invade Poland?"

I found it flabbergasting that such a question should have been posed by someone who called herself an academic.

We also found out that conspiracy theorists, given 3 questions on the issue, were prepared to believe that Bin Laden was alive and dead. This demonstrated that distrust of authority can be the overriding factor in a person's judgement. Fair enough (almost) but again, Douglas' ability to ask sensible questions must be seriously questioned.

When challenged about these issues during questions from the audience she looked angry and accused her interrogators of not understanding 'the scientific method'.

Every conference is better for a comedy moment or two. Thanks Karen.

Messrs. Bartlett and Miller of Demos said little that was memorable except that that they mentioned Cass Sunstein and that they would, like Mr. Sunstein, be recommending infiltration of 9/11 groups and the like. They promised 'new ideas' in a forthcoming Demos publication. We were also told that our theories are wrong, of course.

Finally Ian R Crane came on and made a presentation hammering a few issues, most notably one that is truly impossible to 'debunk'....the collapse of Building 7. His presentation was clear and powerful and punctuated by regular applause.

He also handed the stage over to Tony Farrell for 5 minutes.....and here was the whole confrontation of the day personified in one man.

Here is why no one will engage with the issues. Here is why 'conspiracy theorists' are confronted only by ridicule and name calling.

The PRIMARY reason is because EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS that in most jobs if you stand up and suggest state criminality or even demand the answers to reasonable questions

YOUR CAREER IS OVER.

YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE FINANCIALLY DESTROYED.

Just like Tony Farrell, the principal intelligence officer for the South Yorkshire Police whose conscience would not allow him to lie, no matter what the personal consequences*.

So, Professor French et al. The TRUTH OF THESE ISSUES CANNOT BE SIDESTEPPED.

False Flag terror and the rest can never be 'somebody else's business'.

These issues will define your children and your grandchildrens' future and there might be more serious aspects to the outcome of your current moral indolence than the quality of their careers.

If you reject our allegations, outrageous though they might appear, it is your DUTY to prove us wrong.

As fully responsible human beings.


At the end of the conference all speakers faced the audience for questions together. Ian's success with the crowd obviously stung Jamie Bartlett into challenging him on the issue of Building 7. The exchanges were memorable for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Carl Miller (Jamie's Demos co-worker) became visibly angry and invigorated at one point. Bartlett's intervention on the matter was more a debating tactic, in my view. His motive was to score what points he could with the crowd. Miller was more interesting and more genuine. He holds to the official story with real passion and was obviously distressed that he could not prove his point with the audience.

He soared into an angry diatribe, " Why on earth would the government collapse the towers. Would flying planes into them not be enough for God's sake! It's ridiculous. Why would they collapse Building Seven at a time when the whole world was watching. It is just MAD to believe that! (and re Jane Stanley's premature report of the building's collapse)Why on earth would the BBC be involved in a conspiracy! etc....

He exuded real distress and exasperation.

Actually all his reactions and comments are eminently understandable and reasonable UNTIL you realise that these were indeed controlled demolitions.

The evidence of this is final, definitive, totally proven. The 9/11 Commission ignored this issue and only years later when the WRC7 had become a dangerous public embarrassment did the US government come up with a 'theory' of this unique collapse.

An absolutely laughable theory.

Only when you realise this and accept that Building 7 was a controlled demolition (as any intelligent and honest person finally must) and therefore that the whole event must have been an event carried out by some network within government can a person begin to understand that there must be and ARE answers to the questions asked by Mr. Miller. Very reasonable answers (see below).

The second 'event' right at the end of the conference that brought loud cheers from the floor occurred when Jamie Bartlett accepted an invitation from Ian to debate the issue in public. Carl agreed but quickly started to backtrack, "I'm not a professional debunker" (this was the previously mentioned 'leaping off the seesaw').

This is one event for which I cannot wait. It will be a 'first'.

Fingers crossed.

Will it happen?

We will see.



*1) Building 7 was headquarters to all kinds of security service people. The 23rd floor had received 15 million dollars' worth of renovations to create an emergency command center for then-Mayor Rudolf Giuliani. This was probably involved in managing the crime. What is always a criminal's first priority? Destroy the evidence (just like all the WTC 1 & 2 steel was immediately shipped to China rather investigated as part of a crime scene).

2) The essential element of this operation was that it induce massive shock in the American public. A few dozen dead, killed by planes hitting the building would not have served purpose. A plane had hit The Empire State Building in 2003. Not nearly big enough a deal. Apocalyptic terror. Thousands dead. Citizens running for their lives. This is what was required and what America got.

3) Ian R Crane told you. Stanley's report was not BBC involvement in the plot. it was a 'scripted event' gone slightly wrong.








Carl Miller
Jamie Bartlett
Karen Douglas
Chris French
Ian R Crane


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18 comments:

  1. I've got my doubts about Ian R Crane.

    http://revolutionharry.blogspot.com/2011/09/pied-pipers-of-truth-movement-can-we.html

    What do you think?

    I'm not surprised he was used as the 'counter balance'. Safe pair of hands I would assume. Remember this is to a large degree a psychological war designed to mislead, confuse, divide and demoralise.

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  2. I have known Ian for some time. I would call him a trusted friend. Like the rest of us he can get things wrong occasionally but I think you should read Michael Hoffman's follow-on comments to this article on his latest blog:

    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2011/09/911-hijacked-by-fake-heroes.html

    There are some people (on our side e.g. Alex Jones) we can find reasons to mistrust but we should not turn on them unless they are clearly agents for the opposition, in my opinion.

    I'd defend Ian against any attack on his integrity.

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  3. Amazing how real truths never gets argued. A university out here in California had one of its regular "Swastika false flags" complete with campus wide anti-semitism warnings and the like. Yet when I started scribbling "Israel did 9/ll" on every campus and police station bathroom in the area, they simply got wiped off and disappeared as if I'd written nothing at all. No mentions in the local media or anti-semitism hysteria either, just some fresh paint and hard scrubbing.

    May God preserve you and the likes of Mr Crane in the good fight.

    -ELA

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  4. Andrew.

    It would be a good Idea to let him know about the “Rob my life force meme”


    Ian has some integrity, but remember the Codex none debate about false vitamins where I was banned by limited hang out Tony for months. I think Ian may have made amends to that but I’m not sure as I haven’t bought his DVDs, and has been very quiet about it as far as I know.

    I think he has some integrity, although he would never debate the now deceased poster thermate911 on his quoted illuminated meme from Ian’s site, I couldn’t say much as Tony would have just banned me, because Ian does some great work and on geo-politics.

    It would be a good Idea to let him know about the “Rob my life force meme”

    The New Age theosophy utopia meme (spiritual and/or, even atheist meme) is then. That if we all come together, that is the only way to spiritually get off the planet, “spiritually” and those that don't go along with it will prevent those that do go along with it and must be rid of, and are dangerous to those that do go along with it. Also people who won’t connect to that “spiritually” part, are told that the planet can’t support 6 billion people because of all the pollution that we are causing and the old new world order are intentionally causing it with unnecessary industrial use to show people that it can’t continue. The so-called green movements I know (Friends of the earth, for example) buy into this atheist line and say there are to many people on the planet and “they the people” are to blame for this over industrial pollution, wars and such. So both groups in their varied and mixed types, are supporting the depopulation agenda and are sold the idea that it is necessary that some/many will have to go. Only half a billion left (Example: Georgia guide stones) so they will have all those resources, natural (Gaia types) and/or some industry (Techno Venus project types) for sustainable use in abundance.

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    Where there is NO individual spiritual salvation (or divine retribution.) In this New World Order awakening, consciousness shift, and change or transformation meme.

    And people have to be convinced this is not possible:
    That there is plenty to go around for 6 billion people or so, if we don’t pollute and waste, like most all do now and encouraged/forced to do now via false legislation.

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  5. Sorry Kev but I've seen the same deceptive line pushed too many times to merely dismiss it as 'getting things wrong'. I'm afraid it smacks of a concerted effort to deceive and manipulate.

    I'm assuming you read my article. If so you'll see the way that Ian's 'solution' is prevalent right across the New Age/2012/Zeitgeist movements. It is fundamentally anti-Christian and is all about the false spiritual evolution of mankind and much more. I'm surprised that you, as a Christian, can't see this.

    I don't make such accusations lightly and I certainly don't take any pleasure in doing so either. What we face is a psychological war with deception being the main weapon used.

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  6. Hi Harry,

    I have read your article. You build your case well but I can't buy into it.

    This is a difficult issue to address.

    I know that many 9/11 Truthers (say) are not Christian. There are many spiritual generalists. Yes, many are new-agey, I suppose, if you get down to talking about these issues with them but, to be honest I don't go there with the activists I know.
    Ian is like Icke, Bill Hicks and so many others in that he is completely un-religious in the usual sense but (admittedly) perhaps uncomfortably close to the 'Zeitgeist' model superficially anyway....and that's all I know of the spirituality of any of these people that I know.

    However, refuse to believe that such characteristics mean they are working for the other side as you seem to suggest.

    Ian, who I know, is a big-picture type of guy. He reads voraciously, picks up on every obscure cultural meme and, even when making a powerful case about issues like 7/7 or 9/11, sometimes gets small details wrong. He has gone out on a limb over a possible 'alien invasion' at the London Olympics.

    He just takes it all in and goes by instinct in my view. I have found him a genuine and generous person who goes out of his way to help fellow 'truthers'. He stayed in Yorkshire recently to help Tony Farrell through his Appeal hearing for instance.

    The danger of the one-with-the-universe, rather subjective spirituality is that the wrong kind of individuals or organisations can take control of like-minded people and lead them astray.

    One of the great things about Christianity is that it should be so much harder for men to take the place of God in this religion....mind you, the Borgias disprove that argument, I suppose.

    I think we should be very, very slow to judge on these matters, Harry.

    The love and the truth surely matter more than the thinking, the name, the structures that individual minds and culture might impose on them. Christ said that 'children are the greatest amongst us' and they have no ideas at all.

    Mind you, one very good reason for following Christ is He always seems to have the best teaching for any given situation. In this case it might be:

    "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

    Powerful words of censure and caution and, for me, fitting in this case. I really couldn't judge such a thing.......except in the case of the 'Zeitgeist' movement where the purpose of the thing is blatantly obvious.

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  7. Andrew.

    “It would be a good Idea to let him know about the “Rob my life force meme”

    "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."


    It's to early to judge him yet as he may well not be aware of the dangers of it, so time will tell if he responds in a positive way.

    It is prevalent right across the New Age theosophist meme, with so many promoting it and is on nearly every truth movement forum to the point on some that any thing else is drowned out.

    Another point is that knowing that Tony is somewhat Christian and will some times be tolerant towards them. With no debate returned I asked Ian why on the books on 2012 he has not got “He Walked the Americas” (1963) and why only the anti Christian ones. Some research on that shows it was the first book on the Mayan calendar (not with all the words put into the mouths of the Mayans) by subsequent books. There is it’s said, an earlier one written in Spanish.

    Reading “He Walked the Americas”
    Its clear where much of the New age stuff comes from. Such as “Nibiru” a supposed extra planet

    And note the 3000 years.

    The Calendars – page 243.

    It is to be noted that the Prophet Kate-Zahl used the Venus Calendar for His computations. This is true in almost all tribal computing of any length in all the Americas, although often in the wild tribes the meaning of the numbers is either secret or has been lost. For example, Venus is spoken of as the Double-star (dawn star part of the year and evening star during the rest), but the number given in all cases is thirteen.
    In Mayan computations, there are four inter-revolving calendars: 1) The sun-year of 365 ¼ days which is the same as ours; 2) the moon-year which is the revolutions of the moon about our parent body for the space of a year; 3) the tropical year which is the swing of the sun between Capricorn and Cancer; 4) the Venus Calendar. For this reason, we have found it relatively easy to read the dates of the historical stones or steles, but since we cannot as yet decipher Mayan writing, we have no idea what happened on those dates.
    The Venus Calendar is an excellent tool for computation. Venus, circling the sun on an inside orbit, makes thirteen revolutions to eight of the earth. Therefore in eight thirteens the two planets (star and planet)are back in the starting position. This is called the Full Cycle (104 years). Most American nations used the Half-Cycle of fifty-two years. There was also a Grand-Cycle of over three thousand years. When however both Full and Half cycles were ceremoniously tied, if the name was not specified, there could be confusion as to which was meant."

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  8. Fair enough Kev but please don't think I was quick to judgement on this issue. Indeed the title of the post was intentionally framed as a question precisely because I invited others opinions on this. That said I'm afraid my conclusion errs on the side of yes, we probably can add him to the list. If Ian really is a 'big-picture type of guy' surely he's seen through the rather obvious psy-ops present in the whole 2012/Mayan/New Age/New Earth/New Man/Conciousness shift thing? Homo Luminous? I'm just not buying it I'm afraid.

    Am I a hypocrite to cast a critical eye over the 'solutions' proposed by a prominent 'leader of the truth movement'? By those standards Chris White is a hypocrite for producing and releasing his excellent film 'David Icke Debunked'. I can't help but to observe that Icke's and Ian's 'solutions' are uncannily similar.

    That said, don't think for a second that I haven't had to pluck motes the size of boulders out of my eyes on occasion. All to see that much more clearly with. I hope.

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  9. Harry,

    Sorry, that was thoughtless. Nothing personal. Really.
    That's just the full quote. I sometimes reflect on my own judgementalism and wonder if the best 'activism' would be to forget the world altogether and pursue real purity in an intense and direct relationship with the creator.

    We try this. We try that. It is hard (if not impossible) to know if and when another is being deliberately wicked or is merely mistaken.

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  10. That's ok Kev, no offence was taken. You're right, it is hard.

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  11. This is a scream! I was at the day and enjoyed Ian's entertainment although was not impressed by his logic, and the author of this article failed to mention his insulting behaviour towards Karen Douglas - hardly professional and he didn't apologise.

    Classic conspiracy theorist stuff - Crane gave us no proof or answers, he obviously didn't have any but he did believe himself and obviously thought that was enough. Rather than provide proof - he tried but it was roundly debunked - he said we should do our own research.

    Wouldn't answer a question from one of the audience either about whether he had ever begun to investigate a conspiracy theory and found it not to be one. Dead giveaway that.

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  12. Anonymous,

    That comment is absolute bollox.

    If you watched the voluminous evidence presented by Ian re WTC7 and did not recognise an obvious controlled demolition you are a fantasising wishful thinker or an unfixable mega-retard.

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  13. Hello Kev,

    I can explain Carl Miller's behaviour. As with most people nowadays who have suffered the school system, Carl has not had a classical liberal education, and I mean study of the classical liberal arts - defined as the Trivium and the Quadrivium. This follows in the work of great thinkers from the time of Plato and Aristotle.

    The Trivium represents the first three classical liberal arts - Grammar, Logic and Rhetoric. In essence, Grammar represents the What, When, How, Who and Where of a subject - essentially establishing the facts of a situation in regards to what we take in with our five senses (sight, hearing, touch, taste, smell and touch). The Logic then represents the Why of a subject with all contradictions removed. Rhetoric represents one's ability to organise and then communicate this information.

    Carl Miller is putting his Logic before his Grammar. This is fatal. You CANNOT establish the Why of an event until you determine your Grammar, or the facts of the matter.

    He will remain angered and unable to convince anyone of his argument unless they too put their logic before their grammar. Have you noticed that when you try to explain these events to people, their first question tends to be "but why would they do that?". This is because our school system has not provided us with a classical liberal education. We are defenceless to highly polished rhetoric in the media and via politicians as a result. People no longer have a methodology for identifying whether they are being lied to. We used to have this, but it has been removed for virtually every school in the western world. Only the top tier of the elite schools teach it.

    The Quadrivium, incidentally, provides the final four classical liberal arts, and provided for a means of organising the natural world around us. Arithmetic represents number in and of itself, Geometry represents number in space, Music represents number in time, and finally Astronomy represents number in both space and time.

    Remember, there are no contradictions in nature or the natural world order...

    A.

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  14. Thanks. Main point accepted. Not sure I'm with, nor understand, the details of its breakdown (as you put it).

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  15. Consider the world of lies around us, the absence of reason and rationality and the means that we do NOT have at our disposal for determine reality and fact from fantasy and lies.

    Observation is essential. Carl will not observe, or "Do The Grammar", of the situation hence why he is frustratedly querying the "why" of the subject. He is grasping for answers himself, but doesn't have a methodology for doing so. Nearly everyone is in the same boat.

    Look up The Trivium. It is the pick to unlock the prison of our own minds.

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  16. People often firstly ask Why in relation to a point of view, when they would be better placed asking Who, What, When, Where and How - putting their Grammar before their Logic.

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  17. We are all in this mess together and we need to LEARN our way out of it - see Einstein's quote on the results of repeating old behaviours.

    A good start would be the work of John Taylor Gatto who lucidly explains the history of our deeply compromised schooling system and its origins in Prussia. We have bread a society of indoctrinated state system dependents, as opposed to self-aware, curious and critical thinkers. The former depends on government for jobs. The latter innovates and creates independence.

    Keep up the good work KB, best wishes to you.

    A.

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